Fine, you win.

"DaftRyosuke - So Long and Thanks for All the Fish!" (daft-ryosuke) 01/31/2018 at 01:11 • Filed to: None

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!!!error: Indecipherable SUB-paragraph formatting!!! has proven to me that the new Navigator is pretty badass.

I’d still rather have an Escalade though for various reasons, one being that the Navigator just doesn’t quite have the same class and presence on the outside like the Escalade does. The Navigator makes up for it tenfold on the inside though.

C62030 > DaftRyosuke - So Long and Thanks for All the Fish! 01/31/2018 at 01:13

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I’m so glad it’s good. I have a big soft spot for Lincolns and watching them release the Town Car and the Zephyr and the MKZ was just painful. But these new ones are just masterworks visually, and I was surprised to hear how high-quality the interior is.

HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles > DaftRyosuke - So Long and Thanks for All the Fish! 01/31/2018 at 01:15

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This is my new “if I had to spend 100 grand on one car” Car.

Steve in Manhattan > DaftRyosuke - So Long and Thanks for All the Fish! 01/31/2018 at 02:40

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Don’t know why he thinks that thing is good looking.

CRider > Steve in Manhattan 01/31/2018 at 03:14

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This is the competition.

boxrocket > DaftRyosuke - So Long and Thanks for All the Fish! 01/31/2018 at 06:49

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I understand where you’re coming from about the escalade, but a consistent theme I’ve been hearing and seeing in the Navigator reviews is how it genuinely is the new benchmark, and once again shows the escalade is still just a tarted-up tahoe. Sure, rappers and the like may still prefer the escalade (easier to rhyme than Navigator), but I’ve seen more folks gravitate to the bus-like Mercedes or the Range Rover lately, and some are/were waiting for the BMW X7. Plus the escalade is not the most family-friendly, especially with the high lift-over height for the rear cargo area, cramped rear seats, and consistently-underwhelming interior.

The Navigator comes at a perfect time as the rest of the class isn’t set to have a new or refreshed model (except the aforementioned X7) for some time, so it should have a good chance to become dominant.

Now if only Ford would make the Continental on a RWD platform with coach doors...

Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies > boxrocket 01/31/2018 at 08:22

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From everything I’ve seen about the Escalade, it makes more sense to just get the Denali or Tahoe LTZ. 97% of the nice for a lower price.

Daily Drives a Dragon - One Last Lap > DaftRyosuke - So Long and Thanks for All the Fish! 01/31/2018 at 08:23

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I’m just not sure about the weird gap between the center console and the dash.

Otto-the-Croatian-'Whoops my Volvo is a sedan' > Daily Drives a Dragon - One Last Lap 01/31/2018 at 08:28

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I like it, it looks like a perfect spot to put a backpack or a handbag. I never know where to put a backpack in a car, wherever you do it it kinda sucks.

Wacko > DaftRyosuke - So Long and Thanks for All the Fish! 01/31/2018 at 09:06

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why would someone but those ugly wheels on a bloated Flex...

Daily Drives a Dragon - One Last Lap > Otto-the-Croatian-'Whoops my Volvo is a sedan' 01/31/2018 at 09:08

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I understand what it’s for, I just don’t like it. The Prius had a little bridge over but the disconnect bothers me.

mtdrift > DaftRyosuke - So Long and Thanks for All the Fish! 01/31/2018 at 09:15

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On a second view, what I love is how the wheels in motion mimic the speaker grills on the interior that Doug raved about for so long. Pretty cool.

Takuro Spirit > DaftRyosuke - So Long and Thanks for All the Fish! 01/31/2018 at 10:16

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But.... a 2008 Caravan has that same convex mirror that he fawned over.

Ergo, our 190k 2008 Caravan parts van is the same as a 2018 Navigator.

Takuro Spirit > Steve in Manhattan 01/31/2018 at 10:17

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I like the front.

The back is ho-hum.

It also needs either more wheel, or more tire.

OPPOsaurus WRX > DaftRyosuke - So Long and Thanks for All the Fish! 01/31/2018 at 10:23

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let me know when they have a new Blackwood

DaftRyosuke - So Long and Thanks for All the Fish! > Wacko 01/31/2018 at 11:47

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I think you nailed my issue with the styling tbh, it looks far too boring for a $100,000 SUV. The Escalade looks a lot more interesting.

DaftRyosuke - So Long and Thanks for All the Fish! > boxrocket 01/31/2018 at 11:49

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But in the same sense that the Escalade is a tarted up Tahoe with a better interior, the Navigator is a tarted up Expedition in the same exact sense. I hate that argument a lot because it seems to be a double-edged sword in a lot of cases, especially coming from LX570 and QX80 owners.

DaftRyosuke - So Long and Thanks for All the Fish! > CRider 01/31/2018 at 11:50

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It’s not like it’s inherently bad looking, it’s just a bit bland for a $100k SUV.

Otto-the-Croatian-'Whoops my Volvo is a sedan' > Daily Drives a Dragon - One Last Lap 01/31/2018 at 12:42

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Oh yeah I didn’t notice that it’s not connected. Now it bothers me, too.

boxrocket > DaftRyosuke - So Long and Thanks for All the Fish! 01/31/2018 at 13:47

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This is very true, and a point I intended to make but forgot to.

My view is that the Navigator is SO much more different than the Expedition compared to how different the escalade is to a tahoe, that it’s worthwhile and effective. Similar differences would be the old QX56 compared to the Armada (since the new QX80 is a rebadged Patrol), or the BMW X1 compared to the Mini Countryman. That said, the Expedition Limited gets damn close to Navigator, but that’s the point.

boxrocket > Wacko 01/31/2018 at 13:50

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There are other wheels, these match the concept vehicle.

The Navigator has little in common with the FWD-based Flex.

DaftRyosuke - So Long and Thanks for All the Fish! > boxrocket 01/31/2018 at 15:13

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I would argue that the Escalade is not far off, considering you get a more Cadillac style interior like the Navigator, but I see where you’re coming from.

CRider > DaftRyosuke - So Long and Thanks for All the Fish! 01/31/2018 at 15:16

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This is $260k+ and it’s not exactly exciting to look at. ‘Refined’ is really all you can ask from a luxury SUV.

Pistol Whipped Cream > DaftRyosuke - So Long and Thanks for All the Fish! 01/31/2018 at 16:47

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I would buy this over a Escalade anyday. The ECOboost is fun! (i haven’t driven the 2018 yet, just my share of 2017 expeditions with the same motor).

Steve in Manhattan > CRider 01/31/2018 at 18:57

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Uncle!

Steve in Manhattan > Takuro Spirit 01/31/2018 at 18:59

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Wheels too busy, front not bad, IMHO.